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Summer bass tournaments are rock ‘in now, water temperature has reached the 80 F in many southern waters and anglers are concerned about their catch in the livewell, looking in the livewell more often, watching for floaters by noon in livewells, thinking about that dead fish penalty often. Been there, done that, most tournament fishermen will deal with this all summer again… they say the solution to this constant worry and peace of mind is – bring more ice, use more chemicals and keep hoping the livewell pump battery holds up all day.You bet that summer livewell problem is back again as predicted and will progressively get much worse the next few months. The Dog Days of summer near and livewell mortality increases proportionally which is not any surprise for any seasoned bass tournament fisherman.I would really appreciate hearing/reading some real time feed-back (the good, the bad and the ugly) from southern tournament fishermen that bit the bullet, bought and are currently using those Tiger Tank Oxygen Injection systems now as the lake water temperature has reached the magic temperature – 80 F?Does it really work better than multipliable livewell pumps and aerators?Do you think oxygen injection is really worth the money, time and aggravation messing with oxygen in summer tournaments?Thanks for opinions.
The a Tiger Tank system definitely increases DO (dissolved oxygen) content. Very few are in operation and some of those are where its little benefit. Bass require 3.0 to 3.2 PPM of oxygen according to major experts, for best survival. They have lived well inactive in 2.0 PPM according to one noted and written person. Quality of a Florida sugar mills expelled water might push that envelope on Okeechobee. And stagnant water in a Delta bayou might also push that number which reduces the bite. Does the Tiger Tank system help, well yes it does. Its not the end all do all, its an added level of oxygen keeping things reasonable in dissolved oxygen.
BCB guy, do you personally have direct experience with the TT O2 system this summer (June 2017) transporting a livewell full of bass 6-8 hours?My fishing buddy is also our family doctor. We were talking about livewell oxygenation and bass tournaments so I ask him a week or so back, “just how important do you believe having a continuous minimal safe oxygen supply available for all the catch in the livewell all day really is? Bass are only fish and a fish is kinda like a snake and it hard to suffocate a snake? He laughed and says having enough O2 is the most important, it vital. Put a plastic bag over your head (like a bass in a bass bag or take a bass out of the water, cut off or severely limit the O2 supply), wait 2 minutes and feel what happens to you, breathing fast, increased excitement, maybe shear panic. After all, your are being suffocated and thats a real big deal! Wait 5 minutes and begin CPR and hope the brain damage is not too bad.I laughed and said, “OK, OK, I got the message Doc.” Is the dose of oxygen adjustable? The Doc told me that more fish (greater livewell biomass) require more oxygen.
One things for sure about doctors- they always got an opinion they are pretty sure is correct regardless of experience. LOL.Last edited by clownshoes on June 11th, 2017, 3:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.C.O.D. Jr. III
You have a point there. Doctors, dentist, lawyers, politicians and us hourly paid welders that work for a living in the sun, rain and snow for $75.00/hr. Hes fresh out of med school and makes a smooth $200 K a year and he fishes all the time!… some of us really do make better choices than others, what a life. He will not, does not, want treat any sickleys that have Obama Care health insurance. says Obama Care does not pay any bills. Do you have experience with that TT O2 system this summer?
Oxygen is better than any live well additive or ice by a long shot. If youre concerned about fish care then you should strongly consider the system.
Comparing it to livewell chemicals and ice is like comparing apples to oranges? How does it stand up against a pair of livewell air vents in the summer or an Oxygenator thats popular?Have you actually used a TT O2 system in the summer with a heavy of bass in the livewell or are you just a salesman?
They have not run a DO meter on the system with fish in it. That is one of the goals and they have simply not done that. The regulator and stone companies have done that research and while the amount of oxygen seems minimal, it is the amount that infuses the water which matters. If it is blowing hard through the column in the well, then there is little benefit as it dissipates. The system was initially tested, though not in hard conditions and sales have been very minimal. BCB
Phil aint no salesman- lol- unless u need toluene. As for that Doctor boy? He got a lot to learn. He needs to get ready- its gotta change and he needs to goto work now while he can make some $. As for data on oxygen- http://tpwd.texas.gov/fishboat/fish/did … ells.phtmlC.O.D. Jr. III
Bass Cat Boats wrote:They have not run a DO meter on the system with fish in it. That is one of the goals and they have simply not done that. The regulator and stone companies have done that research and while the amount of oxygen seems minimal, it is the amount that infuses the water which matters. If it is blowing hard through the column in the well, then there is little benefit as it dissipates. The system was initially tested, though not in hard conditions and sales have been very minimal. BCBWhere can I see the DO Test results your talking about? Even the DO test results with no fish in the livewell consuming O2… any test results will do for now. Show me if you will. Thanks for providing this data.
Its definitely beneficial. Just we would prefer hard data on the details.
Hard data would be great! Hopefully your livewell DO testing will be realistic, summer tournament conditions with 15-20 lbs. of bass in the livewell when the test is done… thats realistic. DO testing with no fish in the livewell is not realistic, fodder. A thought or 2…Maybe (2) controlled DO saturation test: 1st test with aeration system only – standard BCB aerators or water pumps running and humming with no fish in the livewell and 2nd DO test with 15-20 lbs. of bass in the livewell.2nd test with TT O2 system only with no fish in the livewell and the 2nd test with 15-20 lbs. of bass in the oxygen enriched livewell.The comparative DO Saturation test results is the real proof your puddin. The DO test are simple and easy to do… are you sure you really want to know the test results, if that BCB aerated livewell is really functional and if the TTO2 system is really functional tested in realistic summertime summer conditions with a heavy limit of bass in that BCB livewell? You could be really surprised at what you might discover with that DO Meter?
Basscat livewell are already proven!! There have been many of big sacks in BCB livewells by many of weekend anglers and pro anglers. I dnt kno about all the DO testing and wat the actual results would be. What i do kno is BCB livewells hold fish and live ones at that.2013 PANTERA 2MERCURY 200 PRO XSMINNKOTA 80LB FORTREX25 fury
Dont feel bad, most fishermen, fishing article writers and the general public have no clue what bass boat livewell DO testing is all about, what DO is safe for live fish transport and whats not safe at all or what the test results actually mean. A few have heard that 5 PPM DO is good but, thats an EPA standard indicating good environmental water (lakes, rivers, pond) standards in the steady state. Live fish transport DO water standards were developed by Federal and State fish hatcheries to insure minimal safe oxygenation during transport. Traumatic capture, confinement and all day transport is highly stressful, causes tremendous excitement and adrenaline production. All that increases physiological oxygen demand and increase in oxygen uptake dramatically. Live transports DO requirements are definitely nothing even close to steady state lake DO standards and requirements. If the DO is high enough in a livewell containing fish and the fish do not suffocate in transport, IF, the livewell or haul tank is not overstocked. If fish belly up, die or die a few days post release the cause is probably acute or chronic suffocation during transport especially in the summer.Testing the DO reveals if there is enough DO for all the fish in transport or there is not enough DO. If the DO test reveals there is not enough oxygen for all the fish in the livewell, the fish will suffocate, and if the fish suffocate, that is proof-positive that the livewell is “not function” and acute and post transport mortality and disease might be predicted and anticipated.Theres much more… minimal safe DO in transport livewells and haul tanks is vitally important. I do hope the TT produces satisfactory DO test results with fish in the livewell water, well see what happens. If the TT DO test results and test conditions are published and advertised, the DO test results are probably good. If there are no test results available, the TT may have failed the test and will just fade away.A good DO test result is the proof that may sell the TT O2 system.
I ran across an interesting article here – B.A.S.S./ESPN, about livewell Oxygen Injection systems. BCB has clearly taken a bit of the apple introducing the TT O2 injection system. Check this piece out: Keeping Bass Alivehttp://www.espn.com/outdoors/bassmaster … e_livewell Oxygen injectionOxygen uptake in livewell water can be improved by flowing pure oxygen from a pressurized cylinder into the livewell through an air stone or bubble hose. A regulator or pressure valve controls the flow. The tiny bubbles contain 100 percent oxygen and provide a huge surface area for the oxygen to diffuse into the water. These systems will maintain adequate oxygen levels in the livewell under the most extreme conditions. For some anglers this may be a more attractive option than managing oxygen levels by aeration and temperature control (adding ice). Oxygenation systems can be purchased commercially for $300 to $450. A supplier is listed on page 39. Follow the manufacturers directions very carefully, as there are serious safety requirements when dealing with oxygen. Homemade systems can be assembled from equipment purchased from welding shops, medical apparatus vendors, or aquaculture equipment suppliers. But, DO NOT install a homemade oxygenation system on your boat without the guidance of an expert. If installation guidelines are not strictly adhered to, serious injury could result. If these safety requirements are too restrictive, retrofit the plumbing of your livewell aeration system (see diagram, page 15) to ensure that proper oxygen concentrations can be achieved, even with a heavy load of fish. Before investing in an oxygenation system, anglers must be totally familiar with the safety considerations regarding its use. U.S. Coast Guard regulations require pressurized gas cylinders to be securely mounted to prevent damage to valves and regulators. The cylinder must be mounted in a well-ventilated location and smoking should be avoided during use. [FIRE SAFETY] Never use grease or petroleum-based lubricants on oxygen equipment fittings or connectors. This can cause an explosive fire.
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