well, thanks to all those who tried to help me out this past weekend. should have asked how to deal with 15 people in a 3 bedroom trailer (with 4 or 5 of em under 5 years old-next time ill be asking about decent places to stay). caught fish, just none of the ones that are dreamed of. wacky worm, cranking, carolina rig, and good ol texas rig. stayed mostly around that island near the northern most bridge, wind was blowing in there and guess the baitfish with it. realize now its not that bad of a trip (mileage and time wise) will probably go back on a less hectic weekend. had a good time and again thanks for the help and info all of you.