Pantera with a 150

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July 29, 2013 at 2:29 am #462967

Ricochet15
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What kind of performance and mpg should you expect from a Classic or P2 with a 150 on it? I know stuff varies but Im looking for a good idea of what you could expect.

July 29, 2013 at 2:46 am #462968

Scott Crumpler
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Ricochet15 wrote:What kind of performance and mpg should you expect from a Classic or P2 with a 150 on it? I know stuff varies but Im looking for a good idea of what you could expect.As you said, setups can vary a lot, but I would say low to mid-60s with a moderate load would be a reasonable expectation if set up properly. The Classic will probably pick up one or two mph on the P2. No idea on the mpg.

July 29, 2013 at 3:41 am #462969

jpost
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You might have to wait a long time to sell it.

July 29, 2013 at 2:10 pm #462971

dbasketman
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You wont get mid 60s, lower maybe. we used to get 62 outta the older carbed Mercs., pullin 6000rpms. the only way you might exceed that is with the four stroke Merc., i hear its a beast !But,,,,,, as mentioned, if you try to sell the boat with a 150 you are limiting your market. Nothing at all wrong with it, but most folks want maximum rated engine.

July 29, 2013 at 2:36 pm #462972

offshore
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I have an 06 Classic with 150 Opti., 1 person, gear, full tank fuel 63 gps. 2 people tournament load 58-60.Cant give any specifics on mpg but very economical to run and has been very dependable. Nice set up for recreational fisherman occasional tournament, similar performance to Sabre but with extra foot.As mentioned resale could be slow and should be strongly considered unless you plan on keeping as long as I do.

July 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm #462973

VonH
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I have to disagree with the above…mid 60s is very doable with a 150 and a P2.My 94 PII with a 150 would run 64-66 loaded with 2 people, depending on water temp. But, this was with a Boger worked A-45 23 Tempest. The boat would fly with that prop…and lot of time messing with jackplate height.

July 29, 2013 at 3:14 pm #462974

NacCat
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With a 1994 Pantera 2 and a 1994 Mariner 150 EFI I am currently getting 63-64 with just me, all my tackle and rods and a deck insert. With my fishing partner and all his stuff Im getting 62+. Im running a stock Tempest Plus 23. I have seen 65-66 mph out of my Tempest Plus 24 but the pitch of that prop is a little too tall and the RPMs are too low on the top end and it is slow coming out of the hole. Im going to get the prop worked over and should be able to pickup a mile or two. Having said all that, what year models are you looking at? The new Classic and P2 are substantially different from the older ones. I would agree that if you have the option to put a 200 HP on the boat you should do it. Resale will be much easier and you can do more with the boat. Last edited by NacCat on July 29th, 2013, 3:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

July 29, 2013 at 5:08 pm #462975

Scott Crumpler
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VonH wrote:I have to disagree with the above…mid 60s is very doable with a 150 and a P2.My 94 PII with a 150 would run 64-66 loaded with 2 people, depending on water temp. But, this was with a Boger worked A-45 23 Tempest. The boat would fly with that prop…and lot of time messing with jackplate height.Thanks for the validation. My estimate was from the 90s P2s we had also in my youth. With a 150 and a moderate (but not light) load and 2 people, we routinely topped out at 66 – 67 on GPS. That was with 2-stroke Johnsons and with a flippin deck in the boat, and Dad is a wizard at propping out and jacking the motor just right and knows how to drive for maximum top end. (In the BCB Commercial I posted yesterday, thats Dad driving a 95 P2 with a Johnson 150.) The newer Classic and P2s are lighter by 100 pounds or so I think compared to the 90s models, but I would bet the actual running surface of their hulls is based on that 90s hull. I could be wrong, but it would be hard to believe it isnt, as the 99 Classic went to rounded styling first and then the P2 was retired. The classic never was and if theyre on the same hull now, my guess is it would be an evolution of that first 99 Classic rounded-style hull.If hes looking at a 90s boat now, the engine may not have all its original oomph and the hull may have developed some flex, so the top end may not be quite that good now on a 90s boat, but with a new Classic or P2, I bet low to mid 60s is very possible with the right setup.Last edited by Scott Crumpler on July 29th, 2013, 5:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

July 29, 2013 at 5:12 pm #462977

Scott Crumpler
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Just as an aside – during the last season of BASS with the 150hp limit, Dad actually had a Jaguar with a 150 on it. Yes, he had a terrible time getting it sold, and I think he ended up selling the motor and boat separately (or maybe he put a 225 on it later before he sold it– I cant remember). But, he did get a top speed of 60 out of the 150. Not bad for a dog that big!

July 29, 2013 at 6:24 pm #462979

jpost
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And probably the least of the issues with going with a 150 is top end. As mentioned resale is an issue but I wonder how getting on plane and mid range cruising would work? My guess is not so great.
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