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Bravo 1 xs 26 or Fury 4 25? 2015 Caracal 225 Merc ProXS. Input please on which will give me the best hole shot and overall performance. Have a Fury 3 blade on now 25 pitch.
I have the same boat, but with Yamaha 225 SHO. I changed from a 25p Fury 3 to a 4 blade Bravo 1xs 25p. Awesome improvement in holeshot and overall acceleration. Fury 4 wasnt available at the time so I dont know how they are.2015 BassCat Caracal225 Yamaha SHORaymarine Axiom 12sTwin 8 Red PowerPole Blades
I have the Fury 25 3 blade and this boat has just felt sluggish since I got it and I cant really get over 5000 rpm. Do you think the Bravo will perform better? Mine is a 2015 with the belly tank which is usually close to empty and I have no power poles etc I would consider it light.
I can only give you my experience with my PII. I have run the 25 and 26 Fury 3, 26 Bravo XS and 25 Fury 4. Both the Bravo and Fury4 have better hole shots than the Fury 3 but require a lot more venting. That is the reason for the dual PVS holes. Both the props have very similar performance on hole shot and top end. The biggest difference I noticed between the two is that the Bravo runs better at higher JP settings. The Bravo ran best at 1/2″ above flush on my JP but had pretty decent steering torque. The Fury4 ran best with the JP flush but had no steering torque. Both were with 1 mph of each other on top speed. If I was making your decision, I would look at whether the Caracal likes to run with high JP settings (like Tritons) or lower JP setting like (Panteras). Since you are already running a Fury I would probably go with a Fury 4.RH
Just ran my 2015 Cougar FTD with the Fury 4, 25P yesterday. Went from the Fury 3, 25P just because I too needed a little more get up and go out of the hole. With the addition of the Talons, added to four batteries, and 52 gallons of gas, plus all the tackle and my big 295 lb butt, not counting my partner, I just needed the help. Well I can tell you that the Fury 4 is a great change. The 250Pro XS jumps the Cat on plane and I still run 70 mph which is more that fast enough for me. Mid throttle response was great as well; lots of acceleration when needed. It was rough on Guntersville yesterday but the fell of being hooked up and the feel of being on a rail was really great. I hope it all continues from here. Frog fishing was great too.
I have Caracal with belly tank and 10 gal saddle , pro xs, 25 3 blade fury, atlas jack plate. I have experienced quite a difference from spring cooler temps to hot summer temps. I dont know if its the temp or wear on the prop. I live in south Louisiana and during the summer water temps very hot. We also fish waters that are harsh on props.Spring – full tourney load, full tanks, I weight 215 and my dad about 250. Great hole shot, a little sluggish getting to top end and getting the bow out of the water – as compared to my old P2. Top end 74-75. I can live with this. Summer- full tourney load as listed above. Sluggish on hole shot, really sluggish and takes a while to get the boat out of the water and to top end. Once it pops up it goes – 71-72. Have struggled in some tourneys with a lot of wave action ( once the boat squats, its hard to get it back up until you get to calm water). I find on this boat there is a very fine line between the boat being out the water and maneuverable, to it squatting. In south Louisiana theres not many straight runs, so you are constantly turning and navigating bayous/canals. I have been following the chatter on here for the Fury 4 and Bravo. I love the boat, but these summer tourneys have been a workout driving the boat. Need a prop with better mid range maneuvering and one that will get the boat out of the water faster so that it can run. Like I said – I dont dont if its the hot water temps or the wear and tear on the prop or both. I do know that when I fish alone, w/o my dad the boat handle totally different.
I was running a Fury 3, 26 on my Puma FTD. I went to a Fury 4, 25. The hole shot and mid range performance is fantastic.
Wouldnt it be awsome to have a prop dealer on the water who would let you test out prop after prop to deside what one is best? I know Id give a hundred or so just for the opportinity to test out a bunch of styles and sizesPractice Angling CPRCatchPictureRelease2010 PIV 200SHO
The comment about an on the water service brings up a total memory from the early days in performance bass boats. In the 1970s as pad hulls came along there were no quality propellers for holding the bows up. Many benders developed from the factories having very inefficient props, some were good, some were not. The ones mentioned below were good! Back in the 1970s one of the best in his time started as a propeller bender at Lake Stockton, on the water. G & R Propellers was Gary Pendergrass and Richard Jennings, both extremely good. That is exactly the service they sold and started their business around taking SST Teflon coated propellers and rehubbing them for Mercury engines around the late to mid 1970s, 1976-1977. Gary started out without Richard and soon they formed a partnership. They removed all the Teflon, polished the propellers adding cup and twisting rake into the blades for progression. At the time there were many OMC Johnson and Evinrude engines in the Ozarks and those also got a lift from their tweaking. The options for Mercury loyal was the Chopper series and bending cup into these wheels. Of course the large exhaust flow and lower end helped those to get hole shot, always with a tremendous amount of ventilation. Gary went on to build the Hooter there on Stockton, which was the first customized stainless steel production weld up propeller. He danced around some after that and we will book this in paragraphs below. Garys Hooter was soon extremely closely, almost exact, copied in the 1980s (1985) by OMC (Evinrude/Johnson) for the Raker series of propellers and they worked very well. This came along with the big block 150 GT and XP series as the engines had too much torque and exhaust, coming from the high fuel burn. Then the Yamaha Pro Series propeller spun off the Raker/Hooter design and was adjusted some as those Japanese designers saw fit. The Pro Series was simply another copy and it took Mercury a decade to catch up in marketing by building the Laser and Laser II series, which was not a copy and was not a performance prop. Thus most still ran aftermarket propellers. Gary moved on to become a professional Bassmaster angler and worked closely with Yamaha and with Onalaska Marine for Yamaha. He ran one of the first YZ series of preproduction engines in the late 1980s as Yamaha brought the racing culture into marine and the 2 stroke V6 block they had copied from OMC, obviously improving the same design. The YZ Series only had the three tuning forks on the front and rear cowls. That engine eventually became the Pro Vee, which is when the Pro Series of propeller was spawned with Gary involved. It and OMCs GT/XP also spun Mercury into the XR game. This left Richard Jennings out and in the early 80s he merged with Ron Butler to form R & R Propellers, in Nixa, MO. The little shop was still there last time we looked. Just not R&R anymore. Richard left and they disbanded Ron eventually moved to Cape Fair, MO and that shop is still in existence, though Ron has passed on today. Richard rejoined Gary went to work With him buildi the Protestor series of propellers and Gary sought Richard to function the building and operations of Protestor. Richard spun. Off that to build the next propeller the Predator series, leaving Gary for his own company with financial support. Every propeller along they way was an improvement and we heavily used Predator props into the late 1990s with those big EFI engines on Jagaur models. We sold dozens of Predator PPS series props on 1997 and later Triton TR Series boats seeking a hole shot on those EFI Mercs. Which eventually placed Mercury int perfecting the Trophy Seris which was a Four Blade Eagle (Predator) copy. Richard Jennings was the mind behind a hubbed four blade. I will never forget showing up early on a Saturday morning at the old Springfield, Mo downtown boat show (Sears bldg.) and seeing a 340 Ranger and 200 Mercury with a brand new shiney four blade, which was not there on Friday. I asked Richard had he ran it, and he said I worked all night on it. He had just finished it early that morning and it was just bolted on for the show. Gary eventually got engaged with Basil Bacon and Bac (Bake) sold then bought into Protestor, eventually buying all of Gary out and selling the company befor it crashed on the way down. As propellers were becoming factory from the engine companies. Giving Basil credit here, he developed the venting system of inserting sleeves into slots which were plastic and located just behind the blades. Those slots could then be drilled out easily to adjust exhaust gas venting. Once you figured out the right combination for your loaded rig, you could adjust the hole sizes to fit. This eventually bacall the PVS system the Mercury copied and developed after the big tube Trophy series required plugs in the large vent holes. Roy Ridgel had come up its inserting engine block Freeze Plugs into the hub and tapping them to lock them in place, paving the way for PVS to be designed and the similar copy to Basils system. We havent heard where Gary is now and what he is doing. Richard moved on to help a competitor and ended his bending by working with Nitro in setup and rigging. He was the driver for Nitro until his retirement. There were lots of old names around the core of the Ozarks and with three major competitors strong at the time, and a fourth in development, they met th demand for what bass anglers needed. And it all came from starting on a dock on the water at Stockton.Then we have other parts of the stories, Dick Hovic, Bill Crabb, Kenzie Propellers (Sam & Ada) Sassy Bass, and what started a company many know today as Hydro Tec. Memories form from experiences we have and the mention of the dock brought back one that was decades ago. Rick
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