Tiger Tank Oxygen Systems – pressurized O2 systems for new 2017 boats

PhilAddison wrote:agg 271 wrote:Great to discuss this with a bass boat trader and experienced summer tournament bass fisherman, thanks for participating and sharing your opinions about the “Tiger Tank Oxygen System.” Why in the world would the average tournament bass fishermen buy this oxygen system add on when the standard aerated boat livewell already comes with the boat- and that is free? This system is not for everyone. There are some that are well versed at keeping their fish alive during the summer time with the use of ice. However, an oxygen system is a better alternative to ice and aids against mistakes in fish care. This system is just like anything else you place on a boat. Its just an option! Power poles, and 10-12″ electronics with side scan/down scan are a couple options that may help you catch a fish or two more at times, but doesnt guarantee one thing. An oxygen bottle is not a need! Just makes things simpler when it comes to fish care in hot water conditions.The tournament bass fisherman always make a serious personal choice whether he will provide the best possible bass care all day transporting his tournament catch or provide less than the best possible bass care all day in summer tournaments. Best possible care doesnt always work out. Best possible care may not work out, but the chances with a oxygen bottle are better than without.The pro’s – simple oxygen technologysimple to operateproven technology has been commercially available to sport fishermen over 2 decades since the early 1990’s, The con’s – more stuff taking up space in the boat – not necessarily true as the location where you might mount the BCB system. Carrying sufficient ice around takes up much more space.additional cost to keep fish alive in the summer – yes there is more cost, but the cost of one dead fish might cost you more! Again no guarantee, but the time to check on fish and the time to add ice etc. might be costing one time with a bait in the water.can be a fire hazard if not used incorrectly and/or irresponsibly TrueUsing a livewell oxygen system is summer tournaments is really a no brainer for the savvy bass boat buyer that fishes summer tournament and has done his bass care homework before he shops for a bass boat. He must get all of his catch to the weighmaster after a hot rough all day transport – to win, all the catch must be weighed alive or at least with gill plate moving a little. Only 1 dead fish and you lose the tournament. One dead fish or multiple dead fish doesnt necessarily mean youre going to lose the tournament. Your odds of winning are significantly reduced with a dead fish and two dead make it almost impossible. One dead fish in a tournament with a nice payout will pay for the bottle itself! For the less savvy tournament bass boat buyer, the con’s will totally outweigh the pro’s on all points. Aerators, water pumps, ice, livewell chemicals and hope… that’s all he will do for all his bass all day in July-August. He going to think about his catch and look in the livewell every few minutes to see what’s sick or dead in July. This is true and this is where an oxygen bottle comes in handy. No worry about lack of ice, no worry about livewell treatment, no worry about much. On more than an occasion or two Ive caught myself pumping hot lake water into a cool iced down livewell and have forgot that I had the aerator on. This is not good when the surface water temp is >90F.*What is it about the Bass Cat livewell O2 system that impressed you most compared to all the other types of O2 systems on the market sold OEM or after-market add-on’s to oxygenate bass boat livewells? The price, type of system, dependability or quality of the system? Size of the bottle, the bracket used to secure bottle, where mounted, and the ease to move from boat to boat if you trade boats yearly. The system isnt taking up any usable space in the boat! “Bass Cats system is top of the line…” If you don’t mind, what actually makes it “top of the line” in your opinion? See above. I Googled “compare livewell oxygen systems” and found several types, several brands, systems made with real commercial O2 regulators and many made with medical O2 regulators. Did not find any Bass Cat brand “Tiger Tank O2 system” in comparison. Youll find little to no info on any use of O2 and the regulator / bottle used from BCB is commercial grade which allows the bottle to be filled at a welding shop.“… pure oxygen can be a fire hazard if not handled correctly.” I believe that’s a fact! A fact.In your opinion, how do you handle 100% pure oxygen gas and high pressure oxygen equipment safely and correctly on any bass boat? A fire needs three things to initiate……fuel, heat, and oxygen. Pure oxygen requires less heat and thus the danger. Take away any one of the three eliminates the potential. Is there a lot to know about handling pure 100% oxygen correctly and safely or no? No…not as long as you understand the hazard itself. Where does a fisherman go to learn pure oxygen safety on boats? All a person has to do anymore to find information on anything is simple. Google, YouTube, or any other search engine on the Internet will get you more information than you can stand or understand!! Theres nothing special about pure oxygen on a boat. Pure oxygen is a hazard anywhere. Where and what does a fisherman look to learn how to handle pure 100% oxygen correctly and safely on any fishing boat or anywhere else? An oxygen fire is very different than an air fire, A pure oxygen enriched fire on any boat is a real big problem. What all would you do to prevent a pure oxygen fire on a boat? All you need to do is make sure you have no oxygen leaks near fuel, oil, grease. Or make sure there are no fuel leaks or oil leaks. Better yet, how will you extinguish a pure oxygen enriched fire on your boat if it happened? You wouldnt have to worry about me extinguishing a fire if that is the cause. Theres potential to be many gallons of fuel waiting to burn. Fighting a fuel fire with a 5 lb fire extinguisher is nonsense. Im gone and will hopefully be able to call insurance as soon as I get to shore. First of all knowing there is a hazard with pure oxygen is more than youll ever need to know. If there is a tubing leak or other fitting leak, then know you need to cut it off at the bottle until those leaks can be repaired. That would be the wisest decision. If there is a fire aboard with at the Oxygen safety is relative for the product manufacturer and the salesman, example: The livewell Oxygenator oxygen generator produces and delivers pure 100% pure oxygen too. Little to no mention is available about oxygen fire hazards, fire safety or how to safely handle pure oxygen or oxygen enriched livewells or bait tanks on a boat. Clearly pure oxygen gas safety is not worth mentioning in the sales literature and infomercials. To me, pure 100% O2 gas is pure 100% O2 gas whether it comes out of a pressurized oxygen tank, from the electrolysis of livewell water, a LOX system. Careless and ignorant use of pure 100% oxygen can definitely be a fire hazard on a boat, a hospital or the space shuttle, right? That is correct. Placing in a boat makes it no more dangerous than toting it around in the back of your truck or storing it in your garage.Saw no oxygen safety warning on the Bass Cat website addressing fire hazards when using 100% pure oxygen on their boats or issues about running pure oxygen continuously all day hour after hour inside their boat livewells? I can surely see that fire safety using pure oxygen should be extremely important to buyers and users. Seems to me that O2 gas safety should be high priority for discussion by all BC boat salesmen and also of vital importance to any/all savvy fishermen considering the 2017 “Tiger Tank O2 system.”I have not seen the Tiger Tank O2 System, different high pressure O2 tanks sizes to select from and spare tanks, air stone or the high pressure O2 regulator, instructions how to use it; I found it odd there’s no info. Since you are a boat trader and in the know, do you have any pics of this O2 rig and technical info about it… how to use it, how to set the regulator, where the O2 tank should be placed on the BC boat? An individual can store where they want as long as its not leaking.Spent time looking, didn’t find any information on the Bass Cat website addressing safe handling of pure 100% oxygen gas and livewell O2 injection equipment on a BC boat; no oxygen fire safety, no high pressure O2 tank safety, no high pressure oxygen regulator safety, no safety info about oxygen enriched gas spaces in livewells, no safety info about using pure 100% oxygen gas… do you have any of this safety information or how I get this oxygen safety info from Bass Cat Boats? Why does it need to come from BCB? You can find out more info on the Internet.Of course all this high-tech safety hub-bub about pure 100% oxygen gas, oxygen enriched livewells and high pressure oxygen equipment safety is totally meaningless with the standard boat livewells using mechanical aeration, water pumps and plain old air for aeration… the old fashioned, low-tech, standard livewell stuff bass fishermen have used for many decades. I agree, but pure oxygen injection keeps oxygen levels high when hot lake water wont hold enough oxygen to support fish life. The nice thing about BCB livewells are the size and can hold more water than most other boat mfg livewells. Im not quite sure what youre really trying to point out as you definitely know more about handling oxygen more than 90% or more of the folks that frequent this board. Placing a warning label on the bottle or providing literature may help one understand the hazard, but how many would actually heed the warning? It amazes me every time I go to the gas station and watch people on cell phones or fill a 5 gallon can while sitting in the back of there vehicle. There are warnings on the pumps there and how many abide by them. You cant make a horse drink water!Heres my opinion on the whole oxygen bottle thing……….Pure oxygen is not a need! Its simply a nice thing to have. Same thought along the line of Power Poles, Hydrowaves, 4 graphs, large screen graphs, big trollers, etc. Nice to have! The size of the BCB livewell and the amount of recirculation provide is likely enough in most conditons to get you through the day. Though pure oxygen will help you overcome mistakes with fish care and aid against fish dying that are already stressed. Mistakes with fish care can cost one hundreds or thousands of dollars. Im a prime candidate for one who could use an oxygen bottle. Why? I dont carry extra ice, ice isnt readily available where I typically fish tournaments, fish care doesnt become important until I have a “sack”. Ive on more than one occasion have pumped all my cool water out of the livewell to cull or to add fresh water. I feel that oxygen would prevent any of these. I lost two fish this past June in a tournament that cost me from making a check in a tournament. Instead of being $250 in the good, I ended up $450 in the bad. I was in a borrowed boat and didnt think there was an issue with the livewell. Evidently at some point during that day, the re-circulation line plugged off preventing the cool water in the livewell not to circulate. In addition, catching another 3 or 4 lber was the priority at the time! Will I get a pure oxygen system? Considering it! Though fall is right around the corner and wont need until next May/June. By the way, my experience with pure oxygen comes from my occupation. I work in a chemical plant which injects pure oxygen in a reactor full of hydrocarbons. The reaction is controlled by adding pure nitrogen. The pure oxygen is mixed with air from the atmosphere to react ethylbenzene to make a peroxide. The peroxide is then reacted again to make styrene and propylene oxide which are used to make anything from plastic to resins for you boat. The two plants that I oversee operations of make more than 8 million pounds of styrene and almost 5 million pounds of propylene oxide daily. So yes, we have special procedures, special tools to handle pure oxygen due to the hazard and associated hazards in the area.Thats a whole lot of fancy BS talk for sits at desk asleep, plays on Internet and texting fishing buddys all day, or does absolutely nothing. Hardest work you do all day is between 1130 and 1230 with that fork.

100% 02 is 100% o2- In my chemical engineering days thatll woulda gotten youu an “F-” when comparing an oxygenator vs an oxygen tank.The survival of these fish is most heavily based on ppm of dissolved o2 in the water. 100% o2 at flow rates that lead to 6ppm is worthless. 100% o2 that leads to 15ppm is awesome.Oxygenators that dont utilize compressed pure o2 arent starting with pure o2- they are taking air which is 21% o2, pushing it through a rock to make the bubbles of air(21%02) small enough that one might hope that the o2 would be dissolved into the water as the bubbles rise. Most studies say the bubbles rise too fast to do much and most of the o2 increases are from the bubbles actually stirring the water and the atmospheric 02 is more readily dissolved in a turbulent surface. Stones can impact a weigh in bag but not a livewell substantially based on my review of available literature. Heck if oxygenators worked then every fishery truck in America would preferentially use them.Oxygen tanks take 100% o2, generate similar microbubbles, and have substantially higher rates of abosorption. TPWD has definitively studied this topic in bass boat livwells.Oxygenator aint gonna reliably take 25 gallons of water and realiably push/keep the 02 ppm above 7ppm which is the TPWD critical level. Oxygen tank will everytime as BCB has identified a system with a high enough flow rate to positively impact their large livewells.Simply no way to consider these two technologies equivalent. As for Phil….Man if I could dream about Ninfas fajitas all day, hang out in the AC, fish Toledo or Rayburn every weekend, and occasionally spout off about some styrene that I wouldnt even give my buddy Ward a pint of to dilute some gelcoat with……..Id be ownin all the b!tch#$ on this board too!.Last edited by clownshoes on August 31st, 2016, 3:26 am, edited 2 times in total.C.O.D. Jr. III

High Cotton wrote:DarrenRoberts wrote:You would think someone that talked like this could add and measure also!I can add and measure. Just cant see and hear. Hey Bug………… you know what comes next!!!

You need to stop before you get me in trouble!

All I kept thinking when I saw it was “Dammit Boys theres a place to hang a NOS Bottle!” Admit it Phil, it crossed your mind?!

Bass Cat Boats wrote:Sure there are cautions with any product, whether that is your boat, hydrogen gas from battery charging, gasolines fumes and overspill from filling or many other aspects. Oxygen definitely has presented a new set of challenges, though the regulator is not a medical rebadge,it is a custom built art for this purpose. The minting is with SS clamping and a removable quick disconnect clamp made to 4×4 offload fire extinguisher use. The hoses are thru wall bulk head SS fittings and compression releases. The air stone is a medium to small soap stone which regulates flow into the water. There is nothing onthe web site yet as the web site is under revision and a new one is on the way. Even then we doubt we dedicate a page to the Tiger Tank just yet. Just wondering… when a new 2017 BC boat is ordered with the new “Tiger Tank Oxygen System,” how much is the additional cost compared to the 2017 BCB with top-of-the-line standard aerated livewell with all the bells, buzzers and water pumps? Tournament bass fishermen are always very concerned about any additional cost for everything, especially OEM add-on equipment on new bass boats when we are personally paying for that boat. If the Tiger Tank Oxygen System cost more than the regular aerated livewell, that can be a major sale problem regardless of how great pure oxygen is for the summer catch or conservation. Like free livewell chemicals provided at tournaments are better than paying $20 for a bottle of the same chemicals, you know us bass fishermen and our fishing budgets, most of us are really tight.So how much additional money are we actually talking about for the BCB oxygen injection livewell system on a 2017 boat? Major innovative trends in bass boat livewell development (introducing livewell oxygen injection systems). This livewell addition is an OEM FIRST for all sport fishing boats… Livewell oxygen injection systems that administer pure 100% gaseous oxygen are definitely a hallmark break form the old fashioned mechanical aeration system in bass boats that have been promoted by boat manufacturers and so popular for the last 45 years or so.Although livewell oxygen injection systems have been commercially available for sport fishermen boat livewells as an after-market product for boat livewells and bait tanks over 20 years, this is a major OEM innovation for all bass boat manufacturers. When this innovation is coming out on BCB 2017 models, I would think that there would be great fan-fare and hoop-la on the net and in print by now, September 1, 2016. I would think a dedicated web page explaining the “Tiger Tank Oxygen System” in detail with numerous images on the BCB web site would be available months before dealers get the boats in 2017. I’m anxious to see it and better understand how to use it and especially safety issues addressing the use of pure 100% oxygen gas on boats and the high pressure oxygen equipment. Like the detailed livewell instructions. i.e. how to use the livewell timers, alarms and multi water pumps on the stock livewell systems that come with all brands of new bass boats.

Will the refill loop be available through parts & can the system be purchased as an add-on for older models??