Thanks for your quick reply and the information- If you run across a sabre, pantera, cougar, ect. 05 or newer for a good price let me know. I am going to buy a basscat soon, I just dont know if I want to spend 30K. I have seen some cats with 200s under 30K but were far away from the Houston area. I will call bowden after memorial day – by the way what does a sabre go for (like the one at bowden marine) new?