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Sometimes great ideas and products do fail to sell in targeted markets. Observations over the last few years: After discovering the price of the rig quoted by a couple Bass Cat Boat salesmen, I can certainly see why the O2 rig will not sell now, no surprise here. Clearly no bass fisherman will pay that much money for even some O2 would save every tournament bass in every summer tournament in America… no offence toward the O2 concept regardless of how much it might reduce summer tournament mortality and American capitalism. After a year of poor to no sales, it is clear that O2 rigs are not popular and will not sell to tournamernt bass fishermen. Tournament boat aerators must hum when turned on to qualify the boat in tournaments. It’s logical – livewell O2 rigs make no noise, are not required for bass boats in tournaments, therefore O2 rigs are neither needed nor wanted by bass fishermen. I also talked with the TPWD inland fishery people last year about their O2 rig interest, promotions and sales. TPWD has experienced similar negative response, indifferent fisherman reception/interest and poor sales. TPWD stopped recommending medical oxygen regulators and now use and promote the same O2 regulator used with the BCB O2 rig with a few minor differences like O2 tanks painted different color, different stone, maybe different air tubing. The concept of better fish care on bass boats all day in summer tournaments certainly seems caring and noble but clearly bass fishermen are not going to those extremes to safe the catch by stretch of one’s imagination. Period. The definitive proof is – NO SALES! Although talking Although talking the conservation talk, “we providing the best bass care possible” that sounds like great conservation to the public, that’s simply the “front story” for the public to concentrate on. If BCB drastically reduce the exorbitant price in order to compete with standard livewell water pumps and aerators, maybe the BCB O2 rig could compete. Maybe not. No offence toward BCB trying to sell O2 equipment that helps save the bass catch to fight in next weeks’ summer tournament. Like the TPWD inland fishery biologist told me, “bass fishermen are clearly not interest in that much bass conservation if there is any additional cost involved.” Fishermen are only concerned with getting to the weighmaster with pink gills and gill plates moving occasionally and that’s all there is. On the other hand, many tournament official do use and actively promote live release boats these days with compressed O2 systems running continuously, continuous O2 systems in holding tanks at weigh-ins. For good reason too – the public is watching and seeing how bass are cared for here for 5-10 minutes. There you see the best bass care possible and those big green welding O2 tanks bubbling O2 in the water like TPWD transport 1 (13 lb) Lunker bass being transported in an oxygenated haul tank 900 miles across Texas. A general observation I have consistently seen: The gross disparity between the quality of tournament bass care at the weigh-in where people and the media are watching and videotaping is not comparable to the poor quality of bass care on tournament bass boats lasting 8 hours on a summer day that the average bass fishermen is willing to provide for his catch. The tournament t=bass care paradox is strikingly different when you actually realize what you are really seeing at summer bass tournaments. You know what I mean, no?Oh well, so much for the TT O2 rigs, so whats new and exciting on the bass boat market from BCB for 2018?
New? Have you not seen all the activity and news releases regarding the Lynx?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why do you keep coming back every few months to trash BCB with this stuff. Dont you have something else to occupy your time.
mike dominick wrote:Why do you keep coming back every few months to trash BCB with this stuff. Dont you have something else to occupy your time.As soon as I saw the post title and the member that posted it, I had the same thought. Thirty Eight posts and every one of them has pertained to this subject. Seems somebody has an infatuation with the subject and their perceived idea that BassCat charges too much for it and has not sold any due to the cost. Somehow I doubt anybody at BassCat has commented negatively about the system or admitted to it being too expensive and certainly nobody in the company is going to say that they havent sold any.
agg 271 wrote:Sometimes great ideas and products do fail to sell in targeted markets. Observations over the last few years: After discovering the price of the rig quoted by a couple Bass Cat Boat salesmen, I can certainly see why the O2 rig will not sell now, no surprise here. Clearly no bass fisherman will pay that much money for even some O2 would save every tournament bass in every summer tournament in America… no offence toward the O2 concept regardless of how much it might reduce summer tournament mortality and American capitalism. After a year of poor to no sales, it is clear that O2 rigs are not popular and will not sell to tournamernt bass fishermen. Tournament boat aerators must hum when turned on to qualify the boat in tournaments. If BCB drastically reduce the exorbitant price in order to compete with standard livewell water pumps and aerators, maybe the BCB O2 rig could compete. Maybe not. No offence toward BCB trying to sell O2 equipment that helps save the bass catch to fight in next weeks’ summer tournament. Oh well, so much for the TT O2 rigs, so whats new and exciting on the bass boat market from BCB for 2018?Wow..
Bass Cat is still offering the system and has sold several. They are not a high margin product and while the price may seem out of line, go price the components, brackets, clamps, fittings and all, then lets see what you want to charge after the install. The price is very reasonable for the cost of everything included in the package.
agg 271 wrote:Sometimes great ideas and products do fail to sell in targeted markets. Observations over the last few years: After discovering the price of the rig quoted by a couple Bass Cat Boat salesmen, I can certainly see why the O2 rig will not sell now, no surprise here. Clearly no bass fisherman will pay that much money for even some O2 would save every tournament bass in every summer tournament in America… no offence toward the O2 concept regardless of how much it might reduce summer tournament mortality and American capitalism. After a year of poor to no sales, it is clear that O2 rigs are not popular and will not sell to tournamernt bass fishermen. Tournament boat aerators must hum when turned on to qualify the boat in tournaments. It’s logical – livewell O2 rigs make no noise, are not required for bass boats in tournaments, therefore O2 rigs are neither needed nor wanted by bass fishermen. I also talked with the TPWD inland fishery people last year about their O2 rig interest, promotions and sales. TPWD has experienced similar negative response, indifferent fisherman reception/interest and poor sales. TPWD stopped recommending medical oxygen regulators and now use and promote the same O2 regulator used with the BCB O2 rig with a few minor differences like O2 tanks painted different color, different stone, maybe different air tubing. The concept of better fish care on bass boats all day in summer tournaments certainly seems caring and noble but clearly bass fishermen are not going to those extremes to safe the catch by stretch of one’s imagination. Period. The definitive proof is – NO SALES! Although talking Although talking the conservation talk, “we providing the best bass care possible” that sounds like great conservation to the public, that’s simply the “front story” for the public to concentrate on. If BCB drastically reduce the exorbitant price in order to compete with standard livewell water pumps and aerators, maybe the BCB O2 rig could compete. Maybe not. No offence toward BCB trying to sell O2 equipment that helps save the bass catch to fight in next weeks’ summer tournament. Like the TPWD inland fishery biologist told me, “bass fishermen are clearly not interest in that much bass conservation if there is any additional cost involved.” Fishermen are only concerned with getting to the weighmaster with pink gills and gill plates moving occasionally and that’s all there is. On the other hand, many tournament official do use and actively promote live release boats these days with compressed O2 systems running continuously, continuous O2 systems in holding tanks at weigh-ins. For good reason too – the public is watching and seeing how bass are cared for here for 5-10 minutes. There you see the best bass care possible and those big green welding O2 tanks bubbling O2 in the water like TPWD transport 1 (13 lb) Lunker bass being transported in an oxygenated haul tank 900 miles across Texas. A general observation I have consistently seen: The gross disparity between the quality of tournament bass care at the weigh-in where people and the media are watching and videotaping is not comparable to the poor quality of bass care on tournament bass boats lasting 8 hours on a summer day that the average bass fishermen is willing to provide for his catch. The tournament t=bass care paradox is strikingly different when you actually realize what you are really seeing at summer bass tournaments. You know what I mean, no?Oh well, so much for the TT O2 rigs, so whats new and exciting on the bass boat market from BCB for 2018?Really? Do you have nothing else to offer this forum?? Do you even own a BCB?Here is a cool concept, if you dont like or want the O2 system…Dont buy it!
Or Agg,…..what better time to come up with a really super cool, green, Peta approved, and most importantly (to you) CHEAP “OXY-GEN-ATE-ER 38” and sell the idea to BCB for 3 easy payments of $19.95, but wait there’s more……
use a stringer and throw em overboard. O2 rich
But wait theres more… Billy the hocker at his finest, God rest his soul…
Buy a Basscat and Ill help you put 2 of them in the livewell and a flux capacitor. Otherwise quit beating a drum that only you seem concerned about. If you dont like it then dont buy it.
Wow, either the innovation, quality, or craftsmanship is not there or when its provided and the price is too high. Cutting edge innovation costs money, development costs, labor costs and material costs all add to it. Quality and craftsmanship cost money, better work force in a competitive area filled with boat builders. You want the best product it starts with the best of all of those, and that aint free. I spend a great deal of time working boat shows this time of year. There is a common theme among bass boat manufacturers that i see at these boat shows across the mid south. The industry has stopped trying to build “the better mouse trap”. Innovation is no longer a common goal with the exception of one bass boat product line, Basscat. The vinyl used in seats, the gauges in the consoles, the plastic trim used to finish the look and cover seams all have dropped in the quality of the material used and the thickness of that material, the carpet gauge as well as the overall finish and product quality diminishes year after year. Boats are no longer built to last a life time, but to look good at the new at the show. This will be proven in the coming years.I know it has always been “Politically Incorrect” to name competitor names but to prove my point in this instance Im gonna jump in. I was a 18+ year Ranger guy. I ran the product because of my perception of quality of not only the product but the people behind it. That stopped when the love for the quality, innovation and customer service appeared to stop. I shopped boats and made a change Basscat in 2012 for the better and havent regretted it since. This weekend at the Springfield Mo boat show I walked over and looked at a 2018 Z520L. Rangers SRS seat was at one time the finest in the business, today their seat has only one obvious goal, meet a price point. It was flat with very little bolstering and support. The seat gave the appearance of a Tempress folding fishing seat with a nice cover. The boat was riddled with very thin vacuum formed ABS plastic parts screwed in place with a black self tapping screw. The “new” dashes for 2018 have significantly less fiberglass and 40% of the construction was also vacuum formed ABS. Although there are great applications for ABS, outdoors in a harsh environment attached to a material that flexes and moves is not the ideal one. UV inhibitors help with the mortality of this material but over time they will break down in ultraviolet light and will get a gray haze appearance and crack (everyone has seen it before on boats built in the 80s). I understand that ABS is commonly used in many outdoor applications such as the automobile industry but is coated, or painted to avoid UV attack. Many other decor parts have been changed to take dollars out i wont list them all. Sure, we will know that since Rangers acquisition quality and cost have been taken out of those brands acquired, but it was happening long before. Look at the others they are doing too.I singled out one competitor product line i know, but it is happening in most of them. Pay close attention when you walk through the boats shows this year, youll see it.We are all lucky enough to be affiliated with THE superior product in this market. Proven quality, innovation, and without question the best people. The capital investments being made to bring new products such as the Lynx to the Premium line and the Pantera Classic to the budget conscious. The new Wave Crusher seat design, new dash for the larger and multiple graphs, Honda,& Suzuki added to the engine options, new control panel, and a wake and puddle lights. This should speak volumes for BCBs commitment to the innovation of the industry. This does not mention the things you cannot easily see, vinyl ester resin adds greatly to the material cost of the premium boats, the seats constructed of cool hyde vinyl, 24 gauge carpet (every other builder uses 14-18 gauge carpet), tinned wire throughout the boat. Each one of these add cost. I could go on & on, but ill stop. The Tiger Tank is a great idea to improve a livewell that was already great. I dont own one. Ive lost one fish due to livewell mortality in a BCB livewell in 6 years, and it was most likely my fault she was dead. Not buying the tiger tank was a gamble I was willing to take, still taking it. That doesnt make it a “Dumb Idea”, a “Waste of Money” or “Too Expensive”. A little studying says, the price is fair. I do see it as out of the box thinking, dreaming of “The Better Mousetrap” and doing something about it. Exactly what a strong brand does to get stronger and i commend BCB for that.agg271, owning a quality high performance boat like a Basscat costs money, your either willing to pay it or compromise on one or all of what I and other Basscat owners perceive as “Quality”.
That “BUT WAIT, theres more” use to kill me!! Lol!!
I really think agg271 done just what he wanted to do, stir the pot and get people fired up. There are people in this world who thrive on drama and from the continued and relentless bashing of the tiger tank system, agg271 falls into that category of people. These forums tend to always have individuals who likes to drop in and throw fuel onto a flame just to see the explosion. He got his explosion and now he is happy. He can fade off into the shadows again now satisfied.
SteveD wrote:Wow, either the innovation, quality, or craftsmanship is not there or when its provided and the price is too high. Cutting edge innovation costs money, development costs, labor costs and material costs all add to it. Quality and craftsmanship cost money, better work force in a competitive area filled with boat builders. You want the best product it starts with the best of all of those, and that aint free. I spend a great deal of time working boat shows this time of year. There is a common theme among bass boat manufacturers that i see at these boat shows across the mid south. The industry has stopped trying to build “the better mouse trap”. Innovation is no longer a common goal with the exception of one bass boat product line, Basscat. The vinyl used in seats, the gauges in the consoles, the plastic trim used to finish the look and cover seams all have dropped in the quality of the material used and the thickness of that material, the carpet gauge as well as the overall finish and product quality diminishes year after year. Boats are no longer built to last a life time, but to look good at the new at the show. This will be proven in the coming years.I know it has always been “Politically Incorrect” to name competitor names but to prove my point in this instance Im gonna jump in. I was a 18+ year Ranger guy. I ran the product because of my perception of quality of not only the product but the people behind it. That stopped when the love for the quality, innovation and customer service appeared to stop. I shopped boats and made a change Basscat in 2012 for the better and havent regretted it since. This weekend at the Springfield Mo boat show I walked over and looked at a 2018 Z520L. Rangers SRS seat was at one time the finest in the business, today their seat has only one obvious goal, meet a price point. It was flat with very little bolstering and support. The seat gave the appearance of a Tempress folding fishing seat with a nice cover. The boat was riddled with very thin vacuum formed ABS plastic parts screwed in place with a black self tapping screw. The “new” dashes for 2018 have significantly less fiberglass and 40% of the construction was also vacuum formed ABS. Although there are great applications for ABS, outdoors in a harsh environment attached to a material that flexes and moves is not the ideal one. UV inhibitors help with the mortality of this material but over time they will break down in ultraviolet light and will get a gray haze appearance and crack (everyone has seen it before on boats built in the 80s). I understand that ABS is commonly used in many outdoor applications such as the automobile industry but is coated, or painted to avoid UV attack. Many other decor parts have been changed to take dollars out i wont list them all. Sure, we will know that since Rangers acquisition quality and cost have been taken out of those brands acquired, but it was happening long before. Look at the others they are doing too.I singled out one competitor product line i know, but it is happening in most of them. Pay close attention when you walk through the boats shows this year, youll see it.We are all lucky enough to be affiliated with THE superior product in this market. Proven quality, innovation, and without question the best people. The capital investments being made to bring new products such as the Lynx to the Premium line and the Pantera Classic to the budget conscious. The new Wave Crusher seat design, new dash for the larger and multiple graphs, Honda,& Suzuki added to the engine options, new control panel, and a wake and puddle lights. This should speak volumes for BCBs commitment to the innovation of the industry. This does not mention the things you cannot easily see, vinyl ester resin adds greatly to the material cost of the premium boats, the seats constructed of cool hyde vinyl, 24 gauge carpet (every other builder uses 14-18 gauge carpet), tinned wire throughout the boat. Each one of these add cost. I could go on & on, but ill stop. The Tiger Tank is a great idea to improve a livewell that was already great. I dont own one. Ive lost one fish due to livewell mortality in a BCB livewell in 6 years, and it was most likely my fault she was dead. Not buying the tiger tank was a gamble I was willing to take, still taking it. That doesnt make it a “Dumb Idea”, a “Waste of Money” or “Too Expensive”. A little studying says, the price is fair. I do see it as out of the box thinking, dreaming of “The Better Mousetrap” and doing something about it. Exactly what a strong brand does to get stronger and i commend BCB for that.agg271, owning a quality high performance boat like a Basscat costs money, your either willing to pay it or compromise on one or all of what I and other Basscat owners perceive as “Quality”. Actually I do find this subject and the various livewell O2 technologies that have evolved in the last decade interesting from a summer tournament bass conservation angle. Some tournament officials tout that summer tournament bass tournament conservation is a big deal. Ray Scott even claimed the same thing. There has been considerable fluff in the news about summer bass tournament fish kills every summer. The Bassmaster Classic tournament was changed from the 1st part of August to February/March (the dead coldest time of winter) for some reason after the Classic tournament bass kill in New Orleans a few years ago for some odd reason. Now the contestants need had warmers and long under ware and fight the cold several days. Great points Steve. The boat industry has change considerably over the years and you are right-on target; it is most important that new boats must *look good and *run fast. The cockpit must look like a fighter jet cock pit with many bells, buzzers, alarms, gages and switches. Most of this cockpit fluff has to do with livewell operations. So Steve, in your opinion, what do you think BCB and/or TPWD could do to change/avoid repeating the same marketing mistakes of 2017 in order make sales viable this year for the TT O2 rigs? TPWD also has also failed miserably to promote and market same livewell O2 equipment for bass boat applications and they use O2 technology extensively in all hatchery and live fish transports across Texas all the time and they are real fish care experts. And as you can see just this little ole thread, many tournament bass fishermen scoff at and mock the livewell O2 life saving technology that has been scientifically proven to reduce summer bass tournament mortality. Just aint interested and will have none of it, get loud and hostile when O2 rigs are mentioned. The TT O2 technology simply cost too much and *** is not necessary like a livewell aerator and water pump so says bass tournament rules. Yet many tournament officials use compressed O2 rigs in live release boats and holding tanks every summer. They would not have a summer tournament or any live release boat without compressed O2 on board even though livewell O2 technology was totally unheard a few years ago when that was scorned and scoffed at by tournament officials. Actually, the BCB sales material I have seen and BCB salesmens presentations I have heard present no compelling reason to spend a few hundred bucks on a TT O2 rig when the BCB livewells come with aerators and water pumps at no additional charge. No additional charge for something sounds like FREE to me and like every other bass fisherman in America we like FREE stuff. An O2 rig costing a few hundred bucks cannot. will never compete with FREE livewell aerators/water pumps that come with the boat livewells. You are right Steve – Speaking of the “best tournament bass care possible” that any tournament fisherman can provide, bass boat buyer are either willing to pay for the livewell O2 technology or you reject it. The state of the art livewell technology was clearly rejected at that price in 2017. Is it possible for BCB to revise their marketing strategy for their TT O2 rig and create a viable market for this add on equipment? Because, 2017 sales is a mess.
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