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I have a 1996 mariner 150 efi on my classic, my question is how warm shoud the outside of the lower unit be after about a mile and half run, I loaded it on the trailer and when putting on the transom saver I noticed it was warm, not scalding but warm enought you couldnt leave your hand on it for more than a minute or 2 left it on there several minutes
It may be oil from the engine and not gear lube. If it is gear lube, and that is the origination of the source, then you may have a major problem. Have it checked out ASAP so that your at least safe if not upset by the damage. Perhaps you wont be as upset if you save some parts.
Pull the plug now! And check your LU for water in it. Also check to see if your prop shaft is bent, even the slightest bend in it will cause a premature seal failure, which will allow water in there and oil will eventually find its way out. When check your oil stick your hand in the oil coming out and check for any signs of metallic shavings on you hand. Replace with new lower unit oil. During you next run once you shutdown go back and look around the back of the motor for any signs of a sheen of oil on the water, if you see a sheen you have a leak somewhere.
It sounds like you are talking about the water intake ports (merc has changed the opti gearcase more than once, but it sounds like you have the low-water intake on the front of the gearcase torpedo?) I would be tempted to drain the L/U completely. Drain it into a pie pan or something similar so that you can see the oil clearly after it is all out. Any sign of water? Milky? Id do this a day or two after the last run as WOT will froth up the oil like crazy and water will emulsify and suspend in the oil. I usually drain with the motor _slightly_ tilted up so that the drain plug appears to be the lowest point in the gearcase. If it looks good, re-fill and dont worry about it, other than to do regular checks just for safety. Just helped a family member solve a problem like this where he waited too late. He spent about 2300 bucks to buy a reman L/U from the local merc dealer. Not cheap. Note that if you happen to have synthetic oil, and wait a day or two to check it wont be milky. The water will drop out and go to the bottom as a little puddle. I park my boat with the motor over a metal pie pan. If I notice anything in it, it gets my attention. I drain a few drops every time I go out just to check. I keep a bottle of oil close by where I park the thing to replace this after 2-3 checks have been made. Note that water intrusion doesnt mean you are facing a huge bill. yet. But if you wait, water will ruin bearings and/or gears, and then you will have a whopper. There are seals all over that L/U. Double-seal on the propshaft. But also a seal on the top of the gear shift shaft, at the bottom of the water pump housing, the driveshaft… any one going out, getting hard, or whatever can start a problem that is initially cheap to fix if you notice water in the oil, or you notice oil leaking out. The sooner the problem is fixed, the cheaper it is. If you are not a do-it-yourselfer, Its probably worth a 100 buck trip to a shop for a check.2008 Pantera Classic2014 Mercury Pro XS 200
ill be taking it to get checked tomorrow. I do run synthetic gear oil. I checked it and it was a little bit milky. When it comes out of the bottle its about as blue as you can get, mine is faded a little now. thanks so much for the info.. I sure cant afford a huge repair bill right now with all the rain we have been getting..
Heres the key point. You can run the stew out of that lower unit, and if you are religious about checking the oil, it will last almost forever. I have a 1992 XR6 that uses the smaller torpedo gearcase which merc dropped a few years later due to reliability. I have replaced the seals multiple times, whenever I detect water intrusion or oil leakage. I dont pass go. I dont collect $200. I go directly to my dealer, buy a 40 dollar seal kit plus a new water pump impeller while I am at it, and replace everything. It is hard to determine exactly where a leak is at times. If you replace all the seals, you are once and done, which is the way I like it. I know many others that have had gearcase failure after failure. As in the one I mentioned. Motor made an odd “clank clank” (not that loud) running down the river. Owner drove it up here and we took it down to Lay. The clanking was clearly related to engine rpm, but at (say) 3000 RPM the clank was about once every second and a half or so. Only possible explanation I could come up with was a missing tooth on the main pinion and prop drive gears. Pulled the drain plug and had some metal pieces (not the almost metallic dust you normally see). Pulled the prop and the bearing carrier and there it was. Lots of rust everywhere. And two completely missing teeth plus a couple on either side that were chipped. When they lined up, the gears could slip, producing that metallic “clank clank”. He chose the quick way out and bought the reman unit. Probably would have cost about that much to replace the gears, the bearings, and everything if there was no hidden damage that only becomes apparent when you pull the gears and driveshaft out. Ive always been suspicious of L/U oddities. If it doesnt quite seem to shift into reverse properly. Out comes the bearing carrier. If it pops out of reverse while backing up. Out comes the carrier. The quicker you investigate a problem, the cheaper it is to repair. And from my fairly lengthy experience with outboards, not many problems just “fix themselves and go away.” It might appear to be so sometimes, but they will return. With a mighty big bill accompanying them. Sort of like sticking yourself with a dirty nail. You can treat it easily when it happens. Wait until it gets infected and it is a bigger problem. Wait until it turns into gangrene and it becomes a bigger problem still. The longer you wait, the more of “you” you are going to lose.2008 Pantera Classic2014 Mercury Pro XS 200
I suppose everything turns freely and there is no noise? As long as you dont have water in the lube you should be OK. Drain some lube and if its milky then change out.
remember that 1500 degree + exhaust goes right thru the middle of the thing. It can get quite hot from that, even if there is zero friction internally. Theres a channel thru the lower unit, thru the bearing carrier that is exposed to hot gasses.2008 Pantera Classic2014 Mercury Pro XS 200
OT57 hit the head again. The Gearcase will hold heat in warm water for reasons he states. It should only be warm and not hot. Running a heat gauge is a good idea to verify engine temps, if your concerned. Though the case will be warm.
thanks for the info, i knew that the exhaust went though the lower unit but i figured that the prop would feel warm too, i just put new fluid in it about 2 months ago, i will check again though. thanks for the info
Those are an aftermarket part we believe and not a Merc part, and they are not a Torquemaster. Your original gear case was a Torquemaster on the 225 Pro XS. The new style Verado type case is a nice dependable case. Though you will not have a cambered skeg. The speeds are very close to the same. The overall opinion on whether to go with a 3 year, lesser cost, imported gear case, or either of the Mercury cases is entirely up to you. Mercury offers both gear cases in the Verado style and the Torquemaster. Though we do not think the imported cases qualify as TM cases. Also if your going Mercury on your nickel, have a quote on saving parts from yours that are good and rebuild a case, using as many new parts as the old case requires. Just get a quote and then you will have an understanding of the price tag in other forms.
What went wrong? Did you shear a pinion gear? Clutch dog blow up? Broke the prop shaft? Drive shaft?What oil are you using?Keep in mind you get what you pay for. I dont like the castings on the imports.
Ts hit tree. This time last time the thing just blew up, out, and side ways. this lower unit shelled eveything. Casing is still good unlike last time. I talked to them today they say the new lower units in the verado are dangerous on my motor at over 70mph because of a smaller bullet. this is a little confusing since the 2010 are all suppose to have this lower unit? I only use the recommended lower unit oil and change every 6months due to fishing schedule. I know the tree caused this but to many people i know are having alot of probems with this model lower unit. So today I told them to put the big shaft unit back on it. Because of the safety concern the mercury tech brought up.
There is no safety concern, the cases are the only differece in newer and older Pro XS engines.
THey said the unit could blow out on top end and cause nose to drop and hook. Doesnt sound right to me but I feel you know! But I really want to trust this guy I have known him a long time and so has BCB
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