Your boat sounds like one that I might be interested in. Is there any way I can get some pictures of the boat?
My boat might fit the bill….1994 P2 With a 1997 Mariner Mag 200 EFI – $8500, located in Alabama. See ad listing on this page for other details.Brett Price205-527-6188
Left you a voice mail this evening. Will catch up with you tomorrow.
Team Name – Coosa Cats
Home Town – Pell City, Alabama
Boat Model – 2001 Jaguar
Plan on being at the Big G early afternoon on Friday. Going to try and get there in time to watch a few friends weigh in at the National Team Championship. I will be staying at the state park campground Fri & Sat nights – looking forward to it! Brett Price
Congrats on the Jag – welcome to the family! I have a 2001 and love mine – great ride, great storage, great boat! Any questions about the boat give me a holler – I just about have mine figured out now. I
Congrats on the Jag – welcome to the family! You will love that boat – I will have a hard time parting with my Jag when the time comes. You are right on about BCB customer service from both the company and the “extended family” here on the forum. Its great to have the resources available when you have questions. Enjoy your boat!!
I just purchased a new Lowrance 522C for my Jag last week and did the thru-hull transducer install this past weekend. I used the “skimmer” teardrop transducer that came stock with the unit inside the hull. It worked out great, I agree with basschaser that you have to watch that it doesnt roll over as the epoxy cures, but it is pretty easy to prevent. I used Marine-tex “Flex Set” epoxy to bond mine in and it turned out S-o-l-i-d with a capital S. This adhesive was recomended by a buddy of mine that works at Pro-Sports marine (builds bluewater boats) here in Lincoln, Alabama. It is what they mount their transducers with there at the factory. I found it for 15 bucks at the local marina. I had to pop out the old thru-hull transdcuer to make room for the new one – I just pried on it with a big pair of channel-locks (it popped loose from the factory adhesive). After I got it out I ground out the area to get to a fresh bonding surface with an 80 grit disk on a die grinder (dont go too deep!). Applied all the flex-set to the transducer and put it in the hull with a brick on it to keep it down while it dried. Below is the marine-tex webpage for the flex-set product: http://www.marinetex.com/PRODUCT%20PAGE … 20Info.htm Hope this helps!
Id check to make sure that your engine to jackplate and jackplate to boat bolts are good and tight while you are checking things. I had a similar experience when I first bought my boat (used). At or aorund 60mph the rear of the boat would step out hard sometimes and I never could figure out why – I figured my setup was no good. One day while messing around the back of the boat I checked the bolts that held the hyd jackplate to the boat and they were very, very loose. Since I tightened everything up the “step out” has never re-appeared. I am only guessing they were related but its worth a check.
Thanks guys….
Sorry to the guys who said “no way” but I am currently towing a 2001 Jaguar with a 250XB on a tandem axle trailer with my 2009 Honda Pilot. Granted this isnt the new Jaguar (maybe BCB can define how much more weight the new one might be ballpark), but depending on what your tow needs are this rig is certainly not out of the question for 20 boats. I dont want to catch a bunch of flak and ridicule for this post, I just want to offer an honest first-hand alternative to what people are posting. Long post so stay with me……………….. I will start by saying that I would not tow my boat full-time all around the country with the Pilot, but for the places and frequency that I fish I dont need it to. I am not nieve and know that towing large amounts of weight long distances is best left to bigger rigs, but I also know that for myself & the guys I work & fish with (and this is ALOT of fisherman here in Al) who dont drive all over creation to fish – this is a viable setup. I live near Birmingham, Al so I rarely need to drive more than an hour or so to fish. My previous tow rig was a 1998 F-150 with the 5.4L V8 and before that I towed with the 4.6L V8 F150 so I do know what is a fair comparison. The Pilot has surpassed my expectations so far. The Pilot is a very solid vehicle and with the integrated hitch that is now standard the setup feels very secure with the boat behind it. Do not be concerned with stopping – my trailer (and most likely anything you look at above 19) has brakes on it and slowing down is NOT going to be an issue. With the tandem trailer I am at about 400lbs of tounge weight – the Pilot squats about a 3/4″ (less than the F150 did actually) when hitched up. As for power, there is enough to pull 20 boats (mine nears 4200lbs loaded to fish). The RPMs turn higher than a V8 would, but honestly it will surprise you. You can also lockout the higher gears if needed on hills so the tranny doesnt hunt. I dont know how to quantify it power wise other than to say that I dont have an issue with it. I would rate it about the same as the F150 with the 4.6L V8 (everyone knows this was not a real potent engine so Im not saying the Pilot is a hot rod) and a shade less than the 5.4L V8 I just sold. As a side note (here is where the ughs are gonna start I know……..), I work in Lincoln, Alabama at the Honda factory where this engine and vehicle is built. I am a manufacturing engineer in the powertrain group and have seen plenty of engine dynos and new model test runs to hopefully add some validity to what I am saying. We machine the blocks, heads, cranks, conrods, etc for this engine so I know it inside and out. This engine has an aluminum block & heads, stout main cap setup, forged crankshaft, powder metal conrods, VTEC, VCM, etc – it is a very advanced, durable engine. On a side note, it is very nearly the same engine internals that the new Acura TL-S has (which is putting out over 300hp). During the new model verifications for the new Pilot it was driven across the country several times with an at-capacity BOX trailer (way worse than a boat) to verify its towing capabilities. It was abused for thousands of miles and passed, I know this first hand. Honda will not post a tow rating that their vehicles cannot handle – their future as a company depends on minimizing warranty claims and their product liability. This is no different that BCB posting 300hp capacity ratings for their transoms – they arent going to do it unless they KNOW it will handle it (with some safety margin on top of that). Think about it, Honda doesnt want to buy you a tranny or an engine under warranty any more than you want to have to take your vehicle in to have the work done. Please dont take this post the wrong way – it is only my opinion and I am really only trying to help. I am not saying the Pilot is better than a F150, Silverado, Ram, etc – just different. If what you need is a nice work vehicle that will get good gas mileage, hold its value, haul your kids car seats, drive great for a 4 wheel drive, etc and only are a weekend fisherman that stays close to home you may find the Pilot fits what you are looking for. If you are near Bham and would like to hook up your boat and test this setup let me know – I am willing to help any BCBer out!
I have a 2001 Jaguar, Merc 250XB, 26 Trophy 4 Blade, and hydarulic jackplate on it so our boats are likely very similar. I will assume the 250 offshore provides at or near the performance of my XB so things make sense (BCB stop me here if this is an incorrect assumption). Like you I had serious concerns when I first got it and was learning how to drive. I had previously owned a Pantera II with a 200 Mariner Mag which ran pretty well, but nothing like the Jag/250XB. I now consider my old Pantera II / 200 setup as a cream puff – smooth & easy to drive. You could eat a sandwich while driving the boat at 65-68mph with your knees holding the wheel steady with no big concerns (not that I am recommending that 🙂 Fast forward to the first trip out in the Jag. I thought, I can drive this thing no problem – only 50 more horsepower right?…………Wrong. That thing scared the crap out of me the first time I opened it up. I admit I had never drove a truly fast boat (fast = breaking 80mph and driving through lots of torque to get there) but I had no idea what I was in for. I had drove many boats at 68~73mph comfortably, but this was a different story. Just like you, my confusion was compounded by the hydrauulic jackplate because I didnt trust that it was setup right in the first place. With that hyd plate you dont get that “basline” setup that you normally get with a well setup boat and a manual plate. You have to learn how to set it up and get her up to speed. My first few trips out sound similar to yours – the Jag had a pretty wild kick (would kick hard right at the transom) at about the mid to upper 60s that was hard for me to mentally get past. I had no idea what was wrong – felt like something was bad loose to me. I checked that every bolt on the plate & motor was tight and they were. I could barely get past the 5000 rpm mark and things got hairy. Looking back I hardly remember it, but at the time I thought to myself “this aint my cup of tea, somethings gotta be wrong”. Just like you I questioned every bit of the setup. Now that the boat and I have learned to get along its all good as it now frequently clicks past 80mph with no trouble. I can drive it almost as easily as I used to drive the old PII, although Id never try that knee-driving, sandwich eating trick with this one! Here is a snapshot of how I get to speed, maybe it will give you some ideas. Step 1 – forget you even have a hydralulic jackplate at this point, you arent ready to fool with it yet. I set the hydraulic jackplate to a level that I thought was near the correct setup that would provide good water pressure (BCB suggested the starting point as far as distance from propshaft to pad – mines around 3.75″ below) and left it alone. You can mess with it later to tweak in the final few mphs out of your rig. In my opinion its biggest benefit is allowing you to get back in skinny water easily and then return to your normal running setup when back out in the main lake. A hydraulic jackplate is not the “secret to success” to gaining speed on this rig and I think BCB will agree with me on that one. Step 2, getting up to speed. As for trim / throttle I keep it trimmed down nearly all the way (bump just a little as you go to free up the hull) as it nears 60mph. Since that motor will get you to 60 so quick it is irrelevant anyway. One of my biggest problems at first was wanting to trim it too much too quickly – you dont have too. Heck, that boat / motor will probably run nearly 68mph with it trimmed all the way down and be pretty darn stable. As you approach the spot where it wants to wiggle keep it trimmed down and feed the throttle until you pass that spot while applying steady pressure to the wheel against the steering torque. Start feeding trim slowly at the same time you feed in throttle until you clear about 5200rpms – you should be around 70 now. Things happen pretty quick from here so be ready. Continue to feed it throttle and trim it all the way up – you will get some serious bow lift at this point with a stout motor (assuming similar to my XB). Once here, bump the trim down two clicks (about a second or two each) and hold it to the floor -you should now be around the 6000~6100 rpm mark (mine tops out at about 6100) and hovering around the 80~82mph mark depending on how your loaded and propped. Make sure you are holding good water pressure at speed and be safe. Things will get much easier with practice, alot is just having confidence in the setup you are starting with. I would best describe the Jag / 250 XB combo as “rowdy” – the boat isnt just a 70mph boat with a little more on top. You dont tweak it from 70 to 80mph – that boat / motor wants to go 80mph and it wants to get there quick. As I said, with the strength and torque of that motor the midrange screams by and you better be on your game to handle it. It will become second nature soon enough though, just be safe learning. Once up to speed and running the boat really doesnt require too much steering input to hold it there. It will drive fairly calmly – you wont be cadillacin, but it will feel comfortable. Be aware though, at those speeds things happen very quickly. I honestly dont recommend maxing it out too much unless you just want to distance yourself from the pack at blastoff then back off to run in the mid 70s and hold your distance from everyone until you get to your spot. I will admit, that although not necessary from a fishing perspective, it is sometimes cool to be able to run with the ever present “my boats faster than your boat” guy that never fails to show up at every local tournament. Remember, BCBs are total performance bass boats not just born and bred “go fast boats” with a trolling motor on them. I love mine and will have a hard time parting with it. Sorry so long, maybe something in this rambling will help……Last edited by basscat brett on March 9th, 2009, 3:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
Olddawg, I have a 2001 Jag with a 250 ProXB on it. Mine is setup with a 26P Trophy and will turn it to 6150rpms, right at 81mph on just a “me” fishing day. Fully loaded I lose about 300 rpms or so. As you know, the Jag has lots of storage space on it (especially with the flippin compartment in it) and if you start filling those holes (which are pretty much all on the front deck)with stuff I dont think youd be able to turn a 27 very well – your holeshot would suffer the most. What Ive noticed over the years with mine is that it is very sensitive to weight placement – keep your heavy stuff near the back. Ive moved most all my heavy tackled under the seats and now keep my spare prop behind the drivers seat. These are my thoughts on my boat with the XB. I dont know how much different a regular 250 EFI would turn a prop compared to the XB but I would think it might be a little less willing, which would make me more concerned with going much higher than a 26P. Im not sure where you live, but if you live anywhere near Birmingham, Alabama Id be willing to let you have my 26P Trophy for a little while to do some testing. Later, Brett
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