Even with a 8 inch Ram , have you ever tried to look at a HDS 5 with the sun blarring and bright trying to fish ledges ,it doesnt work ! Help WEEMAN out and tell him to put the 8 on the bow . If he is as short as he claims to be , he shouldnt even have to barely move his eyes or crack his neck to see the HDS8 and can concentrate on fishing and staying on course. WEEMAN , you will be able to see alot better what you are fishing if the 8 is on the front . But to each his own !